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Re: A bit of lever action
« Reply #525 on: April 29, 2012, 12:02:38 PM »
Warrior, I wish you would have been pulling shots on the Bosco at the SCAA. Cafe Vita wasn't doing a very good job of highlighting the Bosco's ability and I surely wanted to see that machine at its best.

Now on to a lever ramble...

Every lever pulls differently and a lot of lever (and non-lever) people prepare their shots and pull their shots using different methods. I didn't see any common methodology going on behind the Bosco shot routine. When I got behind the Bosco to pull a shot I used general standards but without knowing the intricacies of the routine I ended up with a sub-par shot, similar to the sub-par shot the baristas were pulling.

These lever prep and pull differences behind one machine, fall inline with what occurred in Milo's hotel room on multiple machines as everyone was playing on the lever's. The shots were all over the ice based on grind settings and machine temps/pressures but as things started to normalize the other differences became apparent like my 3-5lb tamp pressure (for lever) versus someone else hitting the coffee bed with a 30lb tamp pressure. Only by hovering over shoulders and talking about standardizing to X could we have got things further normalized as a group. Some levers pre-infuse differently than others, some require a Fellini, some are etc, etc, etc.

All of that got me to thinking as I sat in the hotel room watching all of the action. I think there's something to be said about spending more on a lever as opposed to spending less. That larger budget should help improve thermal issues, back to back shot ability, possible 'wider bandwidth of cooperation', consistency, etc. The more competent the machine the easier the learning curve. As a lever noob I didn't start figuring things out on my machine until I had a couple of hundred shots under my belt, on the same machine. The key for my lever education was I compressed it into a smaller time frame doing multiple back to backs per day in order to start forming trends. With those trends I could then start forming experimental patterns, in order to come back to the trends again. Doing that all on the same machine helped me learn that machine, and having a competent and consistent machine that wasn't holding me back was key to exploring the lever in a deeper fashion. Having a lever that restricts you to a couple of shots a day due to thermals, or whatever, is a frustrating limitation in my opinion. And so for Jim (or whoever) I would recommend looking at a lever that allows multiple (8-10 in a row) pulls per day, pulls that are consistent and predictable, therefore enhancing the experimentation opportunities in a shorter period of time which help create/reinforce a faster learning curve. Levers are fun, shiny, groovy but stepping back from the real-time pressure profiling and tweakability it is ultimately just a coffee device. Hopefully one that makes you want to pull another shot, simply because you are now capable of pulling a good shot.

I've already said I think a one group PVL would be a good machine for Jim but I suppose that Mirage would also do in a pinch. ;-)


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Re: A bit of lever action
« Reply #526 on: April 29, 2012, 12:21:40 PM »
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Re: A bit of lever action
« Reply #527 on: April 29, 2012, 12:43:08 PM »
John F is on the hunt for a for a PVL in Denver. We'll see if it works out?? Thanks John for your help!  jim

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Re: A bit of lever action
« Reply #528 on: April 29, 2012, 01:08:50 PM »
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Re: A bit of lever action
« Reply #529 on: April 29, 2012, 01:15:12 PM »
Staylor,  I am sorry your experience with the machine was not more positive. As we all know, there could have been a huge number of things going wrong at that station so who knows.

I had a similar experience with a La Marzocco Shot Brewer on Saturday morning. An HB member who lives very close to my parents ordered a Shot Brewer and Versalab about 3 weeks ago. He received the Shot Brewer within days and has been waiting on the Verslab since they build them to order. So he has just been sitting around looking at the Marzocco for 3 weeks without a grinder. Being the kind person that I am, I swung by his place Saturday morning with my Cimbali Junior. We swung by two local cafes that do a pretty nice job and then went back to try and figure out his machine. We burned through 3 lbs of coffee and might have pulled 1-2 good, not great, shots. My commercial lever technique went out the window on shot attempt 3 and from there we tried anything and everything we could think of with no success. It is a very cool machine, but I wish we would have been able to figure out exactly what the machine requires of the barista while I was there!

It sounds like you guys had a blast in Portland!

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Re: A bit of lever action
« Reply #530 on: April 29, 2012, 04:59:49 PM »
Portland was great! It's too bad we didn't really get a chance to dig deep into lever manipulation and milk, I'm kicking myself for not bringing my PVL down.

(That Bosco was sexy looking)

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Re: A bit of lever action
« Reply #531 on: April 29, 2012, 06:23:45 PM »
Looky what I scored today....a little Guernsey Goodness Mrs. Milowebailey says.... "I'm not drinking it, there might be bugs"... so it's all mine.

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Re: A bit of lever action
« Reply #532 on: April 29, 2012, 06:29:50 PM »
Luv me some Old Silvana Creamery.

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Re: A bit of lever action
« Reply #533 on: April 29, 2012, 06:42:46 PM »
Luv me some Old Silvana Creamery.
The cool part about the place is they have a refrigerator outside the place in a shed with a drop box for the money... an honor system.  Not cheap though... $10 for a gallon or $5.50 for 1/2 gallon.

I'll be making a latte in the am...

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Re: A bit of lever action
« Reply #534 on: April 29, 2012, 09:17:02 PM »
Man talk about inflation. Mom used to get two giant pickle jars full and I don't think she ever left more than a 5 spot in the coffee can.
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Re: A bit of lever action
« Reply #535 on: April 29, 2012, 09:28:31 PM »
Luv me some Old Silvana Creamery.
The cool part about the place is they have a refrigerator outside the place in a shed with a drop box for the money... an honor system.  Not cheap though... $10 for a gallon or $5.50 for 1/2 gallon.

I'll be making a latte in the am...

I think that price is pretty decent for raw.

Besides, you can't put a price on a product that is going to make you smarter, better looking and create awesome coffee drinks in the morning.

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Re: A bit of lever action
« Reply #536 on: April 30, 2012, 05:48:01 AM »
Looky what I scored today....a little Guernsey Goodness Mrs. Milowebailey says.... "I'm not drinking it, there might be bugs"... so it's all mine.

Are you planning to enlighten her on the real story behind this raw milk?

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Re: A bit of lever action
« Reply #537 on: April 30, 2012, 07:27:14 AM »
Milo... You are a long way from 2%, aka the bad old days.  ;)
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Re: A bit of lever action
« Reply #538 on: April 30, 2012, 07:51:36 AM »
Milo... You are a long way from 2%, aka the bad old days.  ;)

First thing I thought as well.  His leash has lengthened.

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Re: A bit of lever action
« Reply #539 on: April 30, 2012, 08:06:52 AM »
Milo... You are a long way from 2%, aka the bad old days.  ;)

Any journey that make you more enlightened and better looking is worth it.  Here is the progression.

Beginning - 2% mediocre microfoam
Next step - oops wrong milk over frothing, under frothing.. try, try again.
Next - oops did it again - Mrs. Milowebailey "wow that's a good latte", me - "hmmm maybe it's the "wrong milk"..... he, he, he.
Next - Organic whole milk...(what we had in Portland). better yet.. so I bought some.  Mrs Milowebailey "can't you make lattes with skimmed or 2%... Me "nope"... her "hmmmmm."
Next - me yesterday - "I found a local creamery that sells "fresh" milk"... oh look there it is... let's stop.  Mrs. Milowebailey "I like supporting the local folks, oh look a colt.... how cute".  She loves horses.....
Next - Mrs. Milowebailey "Raw Milk, what's that - yuck I'm not drinking that it has bugs"... me - "ok, I'll drink it".
Next ......... we'll see if she notices... and I'll explain steaming it is the same as paturizing it.... 8)

First latte this morning (sorry no photos - had to get out the door)... also realized my steaming pitchers are in the mail from Portland... so I improvised and steamed in a paper cup, then folded the rim for a spout..... not great microfoam or a great pour, but the taste.... noticeably better.  I'll be frequenting the Silvana Creamery every trip to the cabin.... now to find a store in Seattle that sells it.