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Re: A bit of lever action
« Reply #300 on: March 20, 2011, 04:54:24 PM »
Exactly..

I'd be happy do work with the stability of that spring but I'd also be ok with something less stable like a La Pavoni.

Sometimes I think I might even prefer the LP or something like a small open boiler to really dig into the intricacies involved.
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Re: A bit of lever action
« Reply #301 on: March 21, 2011, 06:28:08 AM »
So if a PVL Export showed up at a decent price you would go for it?

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Re: A bit of lever action
« Reply #302 on: March 21, 2011, 07:50:24 AM »
I would..

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Re: A bit of lever action
« Reply #303 on: March 21, 2011, 08:18:18 AM »
Flexibility is a good thing and will work well in your favor.

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Re: A bit of lever action
« Reply #304 on: March 21, 2011, 01:10:58 PM »
I have seen used 2 heads PVL on ebay for $500. Of course it doesn't happen very often. I got mine used from 1st-Line for $750.

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Re: A bit of lever action
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Re: A bit of lever action
« Reply #306 on: March 21, 2011, 03:36:19 PM »
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Re: A bit of lever action
« Reply #307 on: March 21, 2011, 06:54:16 PM »
I got two pages into the Strega thread and realized there were a dozen more pages. I might read more about it another time but from what I saw in the initial reading it seems like it's end year till it hits N. America?

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Re: A bit of lever action
« Reply #308 on: March 21, 2011, 07:01:26 PM »
The Strega seems a little odd to me with the vibratory pump for pre-infusion. One of the draws to a lever is that you get a passive pre-infusion with the lever in the down position and if you wanted an active pre-infusion you simply pull down the lever, let it rise until you see the first drop of espresso and then pull the lever down again to start the shot extraction. To me that pump is unnecessary, out of place and missing the point of simplicity (and silence) in lever machines.

My other hesitation is portafilter and basket size of 58mm. The difference in taste and flavor from a 58mm basket to something like a 49mm are huge to me. I know 58mm seems to be 'the norm' in commercial espresso machines, outside of San Marco, but there is definitely something to be said for a small shot from a machine with a 49mm basket! They capture nuanced flavors that 58s just miss.

Now if you took that vibratory pump out of the equation I might be interested in playing with one. With that said, you could find an old single group commercial lever on craigslist for $500, put $500 into refurbishing it and have just as good of a 58mm basket lever machine if not better for $800 less, it would be much more unique and probably better looking too. Sheesh, you could have cannonfodder make a custom wood PF handle, steam / hot water knobs, matching tamper, bean scoop and coffee grinder bean hopper cover and still have money to spare.

Also, what is going on with it having two springs? Is one on top of the other? As long as you do not have an old, decrepit , rusted spring in your machine you should get a ramping pressure profile from it.
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Re: A bit of lever action
« Reply #309 on: March 21, 2011, 07:25:23 PM »
I haven't owned my lever for long enough to consider myself knowledgeable about the category but I must confess the vibe pump (unnecessary) and basket size (big) were the first things that went through my head as well.

I didn't buy my lever because of silence but I've become accustomed to a peaceful extraction and I put a lot more favour on it, so much so that a vibe pump noise would spoil the lever feeling for me now. But... if the Strega produces some insanely good espresso and allowed me to take the espresso to places I've never been before, well...

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Re: A bit of lever action
« Reply #310 on: March 21, 2011, 07:42:40 PM »
you could find an old single group commercial lever on craigslist for $500, put $500 into refurbishing it and have just as good of a 58mm basket lever machine if not better for $800 less, it would be much more unique and probably better looking too
Not everyone is as skilled as you are with refurbishing espresso machine.  ;)

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Re: A bit of lever action
« Reply #311 on: March 21, 2011, 07:49:56 PM »
you could find an old single group commercial lever on craigslist for $500, put $500 into refurbishing it and have just as good of a 58mm basket lever machine if not better for $800 less, it would be much more unique and probably better looking too
Not everyone is as skilled as you are with refurbishing espresso machine.  ;)

There is some skill in there, but there might be more time, patience and resourcefulness ;) .
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Re: A bit of lever action
« Reply #312 on: March 26, 2011, 08:41:58 AM »
For all of those individuals interested in a lever there is what looks to be a great deal on an Elektra MCaL on CL. I put it in Buy-Sell-Trade. They have the carrying case (excellent protection while shipping) for it as well as the limited release murano glass ball topper.

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Re: A bit of lever action
« Reply #313 on: March 26, 2011, 08:57:16 AM »
Wow, if that lever is in good shape that's a great deal.

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Re: A bit of lever action
« Reply #314 on: March 26, 2011, 10:31:32 AM »
I know. If it is in good working order it is a great deal. Back when they sold them with the travel case it was about $100 more and the murano ball adds another $100 too (And it looks cool!).