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Re: Good or great espresso machines? Let the arguing begin!
« Reply #525 on: June 21, 2010, 07:33:36 PM »
The big difference being that my significant other only cares about what time I walk her and whether there's food and water in her bowl.

That is a big, BIG, GIANT, COLOSSAL difference.

I have no idea why you don't have 3 machines on the counter right now.  ;)

I don't know why you down have 6 machines on the counter right now.

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« Reply #526 on: June 21, 2010, 07:35:43 PM »
Thanks for the correction MP.  ;)
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« Reply #527 on: June 22, 2010, 04:59:24 AM »
I think the reason he doesn't have 3-6 machines on the counter now is he needs to add on to the counter.

He also is a strong believer in learning the 1st machine before he gets the other 2-5.

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« Reply #528 on: June 22, 2010, 05:56:47 AM »
Thanks for the correction MP.  ;)

Glad to help.

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« Reply #529 on: June 22, 2010, 05:57:31 AM »
I think the reason he doesn't have 3-6 machines on the counter now is he needs to add on to the counter.

He also is a strong believer in learning the 1st machine before he gets the other 2-5.

Ah ... so Schotzie is going to have sibblings ....

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« Reply #530 on: June 30, 2010, 09:55:24 AM »
Having been cautioned about all the space I am taking up, I have to redefine what to look for in an espresso machine and added a size requirement. This had me looking at lever machines like the Pavoni. It seems the main problem with levers is that most seem to overheat after the first 2-3 shots and then require extended cool down. The exceptions would be the Achille which operates like an HX machine and the  Ponte Vecchio Lusso which has a grouphead that is detached from the boiler and heated by thermosyphon (a la e61) with an adjustable pressure stat. There are also lots of cautions out there for espresso novices (like me) to stay away. But The guy who I have talked to about the Pavoni said he would give me basic lessons.

back to square one.

Well after reading reviews and Home Barista's article on "How I Stopped Worrying and
Learned to Love HXs", I decided I could learn to love an HX too. Unfortunately, I fell asleep on an auction for a Bezzera and let that get away (maybe to be relisted). So, I am looking for a low cost HX (with Fiorenzato, Vibiemme, and Bezzera as the current front runners) with a small footprint as well as still investigating levers.

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« Reply #531 on: June 30, 2010, 10:52:14 AM »
Having been cautioned about all the space I am taking up, I have to redefine what to look for in an espresso machine and added a size requirement. This had me looking at lever machines like the Pavoni. It seems the main problem with levers is that most seem to overheat after the first 2-3 shots and then require extended cool down. The exceptions would be the Achille which operates like an HX machine and the  Ponte Vecchio Lusso which has a grouphead that is detached from the boiler and heated by thermosyphon (a la e61) with an adjustable pressure stat. There are also lots of cautions out there for espresso novices (like me) to stay away. But The guy who I have talked to about the Pavoni said he would give me basic lessons.

back to square one.

Well after reading reviews and Home Barista's article on "How I Stopped Worrying and
Learned to Love HXs", I decided I could learn to love an HX too. Unfortunately, I fell asleep on an auction for a Bezzera and let that get away (maybe to be relisted). So, I am looking for a low cost HX (with Fiorenzato, Vibiemme, and Bezzera as the current front runners) with a small footprint as well as still investigating levers.


Marcuzz/Bezzera: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120588784225

As for lever machines, there are ways to manage the heat build up.

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« Reply #532 on: June 30, 2010, 11:28:02 AM »
Having been cautioned about all the space I am taking up, I have to redefine what to look for in an espresso machine and added a size requirement. This had me looking at lever machines like the Pavoni. It seems the main problem with levers is that most seem to overheat after the first 2-3 shots and then require extended cool down. The exceptions would be the Achille which operates like an HX machine and the  Ponte Vecchio Lusso which has a grouphead that is detached from the boiler and heated by thermosyphon (a la e61) with an adjustable pressure stat. There are also lots of cautions out there for espresso novices (like me) to stay away. But The guy who I have talked to about the Pavoni said he would give me basic lessons.

back to square one.

Well after reading reviews and Home Barista's article on "How I Stopped Worrying and
Learned to Love HXs", I decided I could learn to love an HX too. Unfortunately, I fell asleep on an auction for a Bezzera and let that get away (maybe to be relisted). So, I am looking for a low cost HX (with Fiorenzato, Vibiemme, and Bezzera as the current front runners) with a small footprint as well as still investigating levers.

HX is a good way to go for both straight espresso and milk based drinks. One piece of advice that I have would be to absolutely choose a machine that will accept a grouphead digital thermometer.  Using the thermometer takes all the guessing out of temperature management.

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Re: Good or great espresso machines? Let the arguing begin!
« Reply #533 on: June 30, 2010, 12:01:23 PM »
Thanks.

I'll be watching that auction.

As for the lever action, Tex's link is helpful. Is an IR thermometer useful in all espresso machines? I was concerned the reflective surface would make readings inconsistent.

I have been considering making an offer on a Fiorenzato Bricoletta on eBay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330307771514&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

waiting for the right moment to suggest it to my wife who is still a little hot over how much space the Grindmaster grinder takes.

addendum:
The Bezzera BZ07 has a strong Cost for features recommendation from someone who has tried a lot of machines. Apparently the grouphead has a heating element with a thermostat to control temperature. Which I think is adjustable.
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« Reply #534 on: June 30, 2010, 12:14:27 PM »
I put a strip of cloth electrician's tape on the boiler. You're the first person in 3 years or so to notice the omission! :D

This is nice, but a bit pricey. Then again, it is a work of art! ::)

Mrs T still gives me THAT LOOK when I put something new on the counter. I just ask her what percentage of the closet and storage space is dedicated for her stuff. Surprisingly, that doesn't mollify her one bit? ???

« Last Edit: June 30, 2010, 12:21:39 PM by Tex »

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« Reply #535 on: June 30, 2010, 12:19:36 PM »
I have been considering making an offer on a Fiorenzato Bricoletta on eBay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330307771514&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

waiting for the right moment to suggest it to my wife who is still a little hot over how much space the Grindmaster grinder takes.


That machine should serve you well.  1.5 liter boiler, 2100 watts & E61 Group for consistent and great shots.

When you smacking your money down?

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« Reply #536 on: June 30, 2010, 12:55:57 PM »
there are some other priorities right now. Sibling with serious illness for one.

window shopping is a nice distraction.

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« Reply #537 on: June 30, 2010, 01:11:36 PM »
there are some other priorities right now. Sibling with serious illness for one.

window shopping is a nice distraction.


I use my espresso machines as a distraction from reality. I'm good at compartmentalizing, so when I'm doing the reality thing I'm there 100%. Likewise, when I'm avoiding reality it's totally blocked out.

Whatever works for you is good!

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« Reply #538 on: June 30, 2010, 01:27:43 PM »
there are some other priorities right now. Sibling with serious illness for one.

window shopping is a nice distraction.



Well then you may want to check this out!

http://cgi.ebay.com/SINGLE-HEAD-COMMERCIAL-ESPRESSO-MACHINE-/200489271523?cmd=ViewItem&pt=BI_Hot_Beverage_Brewers&hash=item2eae1780e3

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