Author Topic: Good or great espresso machines? Let the arguing begin!  (Read 89923 times)

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Re: Good or great espresso machines? Let the arguing begin!
« Reply #225 on: June 10, 2010, 10:10:46 AM »
Oh yeah, he owes me big time. And I did tune it before I returned it. Still not sure I did him a favor by swapping back like we did, the Gaggia was the better machine, but it didn't look as pretty as the VII.

Are you just talking trash to keep this stupid thread alive?  I think so.  Maybe you really don't know how to tune a machine.   ;D

First you say it's all a matter of skill in the barista...  then you say...   ahhhh, forget it.

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« Reply #226 on: June 10, 2010, 10:11:01 AM »
Chris Coffee has the absolute best customer service in the business and in fact in any business as far as I have experienced myself and from others I know who use them as a trusted vendor.  If there was a problem with a new V2 La Spaz I firmly believe they would have made it right regardless of how much time or effort it took and on their dime (as it should be). I have had warranty part failure and a new one was drop shipped to my door arriving the next day. This seems like a pretty simple problem of offset temperature. The V2 is programmed so the set temperature is that of the water hitting the puck at the group and not the boiler temperature ( a nice feature in my opinion). If the owner was prepping good coffee beds with no channeling and getting horrible sour espresso it would be a simple diagnosis that the temperature was too low.  Did this person attempt to contact Chris and get a fix?  I am totally confident it would have been done in short order.  There is a very long list of highly satisfied customers from Chris Coffee in good part because they take care of the customer needs after purchase too.

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Re: Good or great espresso machines? Let the arguing begin!
« Reply #227 on: June 10, 2010, 10:12:32 AM »
Oh yeah, he owes me big time. And I did tune it before I returned it. Still not sure I did him a favor by swapping back like we did, the Gaggia was the better machine, but it didn't look as pretty as the VII.


Are you just talking trash to keep this stupid thread alive?  I think so.  Maybe you really don't know how to tune a machine.   ;D

First you say it's all a matter of skill in the barista...  then you say...   ahhhh, forget it.


Sure I do! Getta big enuff hamma and everything woiks out OK!

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Re: Good or great espresso machines? Let the arguing begin!
« Reply #228 on: June 10, 2010, 10:20:56 AM »
Chris Coffee has the absolute best customer service in the business and in fact in any business as far as I have experienced myself and from others I know who use them as a trusted vendor.  If there was a problem with a new V2 La Spaz I firmly believe they would have made it right regardless of how much time or effort it took and on their dime (as it should be). I have had warranty part failure and a new one was drop shipped to my door arriving the next day. This seems like a pretty simple problem of offset temperature. The V2 is programmed so the set temperature is that of the water hitting the puck at the group and not the boiler temperature ( a nice feature in my opinion). If the owner was prepping good coffee beds with no channeling and getting horrible sour espresso it would be a simple diagnosis that the temperature was too low.  Did this person attempt to contact Chris and get a fix?  I am totally confident it would have been done in short order.  There is a very long list of highly satisfied customers from Chris Coffee in good part because they take care of the customer needs after purchase too.

As usual, you missed my point - probably intentionally so you could make an absurd point. He was an inexperienced user with nothing to compare it to. He thought the problem was him, not the machine. By exchanging machines with him for awhile he could develop his skills on a machine he knew to be properly tuned.

And how many calls do you suppose a service center gets that go something like this, "Hello, my Whizz Bang 3000 won't make good espresso so I want to return it.", "No, I've never been shown how to use an espresso machine but your sales person said it's a piece of cake, so I'm assuming the machine is broken, so I want to return it for a refund."

Call any of the retailers and ask if they have machines that've been returned that work perfectly? All of them do, unless they're drop ship retailers.

« Last Edit: June 10, 2010, 10:25:57 AM by Tex »

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« Reply #229 on: June 10, 2010, 10:29:59 AM »
He could NOT have developed his barista skills any differently with your machine then he could have with the V2 alone.  I have to assume that you showed him how to dose, distribute and tamp to prepare a coffee bed for extraction.  It's the same on any machine.  You are making the absurd statements once again. I simply stated that Chris Coffee was as good a vendor as there is in my opinion after you stated that it was in excusable to send him a machine that you claim was not "tuned" properly.

Did he try to call Chris and find out how to remedy his problem?  Was he treated poorly in doing so?
« Last Edit: June 10, 2010, 10:32:00 AM by GC7 »

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« Reply #230 on: June 10, 2010, 10:34:54 AM »
He could NOT have developed his barista skills any differently with your machine then he could have with the V2 alone.  I have to assume that you showed him how to dose, distribute and tamp to prepare a coffee bed for extraction.  It's the same on any machine.  You are making the absurd statements once again. I simply stated that Chris Coffee was as good a vendor as there is in my opinion after you stated that it was in excusable to send him a machine that you claim was not "tuned" properly.

And you have zero credibility with anyone who understands the mechanics of making espresso. Your patently foolish statement that environmental/ambient temperatures in any way impacts a machine performance is proof enough of your ignorance.

Now go away until you've developed the skills/knowledge to take part in this conversation.

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Re: Good or great espresso machines? Let the arguing begin!
« Reply #231 on: June 10, 2010, 10:42:17 AM »
He could NOT have developed his barista skills any differently with your machine then he could have with the V2 alone.  I have to assume that you showed him how to dose, distribute and tamp to prepare a coffee bed for extraction.  It's the same on any machine.  You are making the absurd statements once again. I simply stated that Chris Coffee was as good a vendor as there is in my opinion after you stated that it was in excusable to send him a machine that you claim was not "tuned" properly.

And you have zero credibility with anyone who understands the mechanics of making espresso. Your patently foolish statement that environmental/ambient temperatures in any way impacts a machine performance is proof enough of your ignorance.

Now go away until you've developed the skills/knowledge to take part in this conversation.



Bad attempt to diflect the fact that you at totally wrong in this argument. Your stubborn exaggeration of the capabilities of home SB/DU units is what is foolish beyond belief.  I have no ax to grind in this argument but you have shown your ignorance and total lack of credibility.  It's actually funny how absurd your statement that your Gaggia is a better espresso machine then the La Spaz V2!  ::)  ::)  ::) ::)

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Re: Good or great espresso machines? Let the arguing begin!
« Reply #232 on: June 10, 2010, 10:45:41 AM »
Tex is the all-time deflector-pro.
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« Reply #233 on: June 10, 2010, 10:49:31 AM »
Tex is the all-time deflector-pro.

Way to go peter, take an explosive topic and pour gas on it! ;D

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« Reply #234 on: June 10, 2010, 10:51:40 AM »
He could NOT have developed his barista skills any differently with your machine then he could have with the V2 alone.  I have to assume that you showed him how to dose, distribute and tamp to prepare a coffee bed for extraction.  It's the same on any machine.  You are making the absurd statements once again. I simply stated that Chris Coffee was as good a vendor as there is in my opinion after you stated that it was in excusable to send him a machine that you claim was not "tuned" properly.

And you have zero credibility with anyone who understands the mechanics of making espresso. Your patently foolish statement that environmental/ambient temperatures in any way impacts a machine performance is proof enough of your ignorance.

Now go away until you've developed the skills/knowledge to take part in this conversation.



Bad attempt to diflect the fact that you at totally wrong in this argument. Your stubborn exaggeration of the capabilities of home SB/DU units is what is foolish beyond belief.  I have no ax to grind in this argument but you have shown your ignorance and total lack of credibility.  It's actually funny how absurd your statement that your Gaggia is a better espresso machine then the La Spaz V2!  ::)  ::)  ::) ::)

Yeah, well now that you've shared your expert opinion with us maybe you'll crawl back into your hole and dream up some more absurd statements to mumble here?

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Re: Good or great espresso machines? Let the arguing begin!
« Reply #235 on: June 10, 2010, 10:52:56 AM »
Tex is the all-time deflector-pro.

Way to go peter, take an explosive topic and pour gas on it! ;D

He is just doing his duty and making sure "the arguing" is maintained at a high level.

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« Reply #236 on: June 10, 2010, 10:54:47 AM »
Tex is the all-time deflector-pro.

Thank you Peter.  I don't want any arguments that get heated beyond boundaries of civil behavior between coffee lovers.  I just wanted to interject my opinions and what I believe to be facts into the discussion. I believe every fact I posted is accurate and I believe that Chris Coffee would do anything and everything possible to satisfy a customer (based on my experience).

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« Reply #237 on: June 10, 2010, 10:55:25 AM »
Tex is the all-time deflector-pro.

Way to go peter, take an explosive topic and pour gas on it! ;D

He is just doing his duty and making sure "the arguing" is maintained at a high level.

 :-X

He goes way beyond any sense of duty - he enjoys the hell out of stirring up trouble. For that matter, so do you!! 8)

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« Reply #238 on: June 10, 2010, 10:56:29 AM »
Tex is the all-time deflector-pro.

Thank you Peter.  I don't want any arguments that get heated beyond boundaries of civil behavior between coffee lovers.  I just wanted to interject my opinions and what I believe to be facts into the discussion. I believe every fact I posted is accurate and I believe that Chris Coffee would do anything and everything possible to satisfy a customer (based on my experience).

Even turn the heat up in your kitchen so your VII can make better coffee?

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Re: Good or great espresso machines? Let the arguing begin!
« Reply #239 on: June 10, 2010, 10:58:23 AM »
He could NOT have developed his barista skills any differently with your machine then he could have with the V2 alone.  I have to assume that you showed him how to dose, distribute and tamp to prepare a coffee bed for extraction.  It's the same on any machine.  You are making the absurd statements once again. I simply stated that Chris Coffee was as good a vendor as there is in my opinion after you stated that it was in excusable to send him a machine that you claim was not "tuned" properly.

And you have zero credibility with anyone who understands the mechanics of making espresso. Your patently foolish statement that environmental/ambient temperatures in any way impacts a machine performance is proof enough of your ignorance.

Now go away until you've developed the skills/knowledge to take part in this conversation.



Bad attempt to diflect the fact that you at totally wrong in this argument. Your stubborn exaggeration of the capabilities of home SB/DU units is what is foolish beyond belief.  I have no ax to grind in this argument but you have shown your ignorance and total lack of credibility.  It's actually funny how absurd your statement that your Gaggia is a better espresso machine then the La Spaz V2!  ::)  ::)  ::) ::)

Yeah, well now that you've shared your expert opinion with us maybe you'll crawl back into your hole and dream up some more absurd statements to mumble here?


Great and intelligent response that rebuffs my statement beyond any doubt.  ::)  You should be a professional debater. You could get a job at the UN debating international trade disputes (for the other side!)